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Jean Forsyth Sanders' Reminiscings (1932-present): Jean has been so prolific in writing these precious stories that I've found it necessary to split them up onto different pages. This page has the stories Jean and her family members on Barner Hill. The others pages have the stories about growing up on Barner Hill/in Irwin, Meeting George/living in North Irwin, and recent stories. Shortcuts to the Stories: Growing up on Barner Hill / in
Irwin in the 1930's and 1940's Meeting George / Living in North
Irwin (1950's and 1960's) Recent Stories
(1970-present) ----------------------------------------------------- I was born (1932) I was born on July 19th, 1932 at my Aunt Teen's home in Turtle Creek, Pa. (about 15 miles east of Pittsburgh, Pa., in a valley next to East Pittsburgh, Pa. and another town called Wilmerding). It was my oldest brother James' sixth birthday. He was supposed to have a birthday party that day, but I just ruined it for him and he has never let me forget it. I certainly was not the birthday present he was looking for. I have often wondered why my Dad took my mother from the little house in Larimer, Pa. to my Aunt Teen's ten miles away, but I never found out. My father was in the process of building our home on Barner Hill, and I know shortly after I was born, we moved into the house on Barner Hill, which is about two miles as the crow flies from Larimer. Larmer is the little town where our post office was and our church, the United Evangelical and Reform, and also our school - which we walked to come rain, snow or high water. That was quite a trip for six years and up, but we actually didn't think anything about it. That was just the way things were. ----------------------------------------------------- My Mother I was just sitting here thinking of My Mother, she only went to school through the sixth grade. Was sick most of her life first with Rheumatic fever, and a host of other illnesses later on. Yet she learned to read music and play the piano, taught herself how to sew on an old peddle Singer sewing machine, she would sew our dresses for school, she crocheted. Tatted, canned everything under the sun. Was an air raid warden for Barner Hill during the War, she would get her arm band on, grab her flashlight with black cloth over it and her pith helmet on when the air raid siren would go off and march around Barner Hill to make sure everyone's light were covered or out. She walked to Larimer, which is about one and a half miles from Barner Hill, even in the winter, she would wear snow pants in the winter, to take Red Cross First Aid lessons at our Church., She kept our house clean as a whistle baked five or six loaves of bread every week, Washed on a wringer Maytag washer in our basement, heated the water on a kerosene stove down there, hung the clothe on a line in our back yard in the summer and hung the clothes in the attic in the winter, and whistled the whole time. She prayed every night and read her Bible, also a church Magazine called the Upper Room.She did exercises by the bed, I never did think she needed the exercise, it makes me tired just to think what all she did..![]() ![]() ![]() ----------------------------------------------------- My Dad (posted Feb 2004)My Father when he was about the age of five tried to take a knot out of his shoe with a fork and missed the knot but not his left eye. The story goes that the day his mother was to pick him up at the hospital, he was sitting on the wall surrounding the hospital waiting for her. This goes to show what my Dad was like. He didnt sniffle about life, more like he was extremely angry about it. This set the tone for the rest of his life. Other than the glass eye, which was colored hazel like his right. He was tall, thin, and very good looking when he was young, with black wavy hair. Mostly all the Forsyth boys were tall good looking, and mostly didnt get along with anyone including each other. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() He wanted more out of life than he had. And was determined to get it. Even if he managed to make life miserable for his kids. We lived on the bare minimum so he could save all he could. I dont know how he managed to get the property on Barner Hill. I know his Mothers Father owned the whole hill at one time thats why it was named Barner Hill. He must have gotten it from the estate or bought it from the Barners. He built the house with my Mothers Step Father Tom Woomer, using used brick for the foundation, the lumber from a dog kennel and what ever else He could get. The house was an extended bungalow, with two porches one extending the length of the front and a small one in back off the kitchen. I cant remember him hugging and kissing me; he might have when I was very young. Mostly I remember him ready to cup you one if he was in a bad mood, which was very often. I know I never had a conversation with him, his attitude was what the hell does a girl know? My Dads family consisted of five sets of twins and eight children that were born single. He himself was not a twin. I have gathered from conversations with my Aunts his sisters, that things were not very good in the family. A\And what I can remember them telling me they struggled to exist. I have no recollection of when he lost his Mother, but it must have been when he was young. I know he was older than Uncle Dick and Uncle Neg. The whole family had lived on Barner Hill in a house that had been right next door to where my Father had build his house. The old house had burned to the ground while they were living in it. I can remember seeing the old foundation right in my Dads side yard. Situated just before his water pump. They then moved to East Pittsburgh, Pa. And that must have been where she died. I cant remember them calling her anything besides Mom. But Mae my sister says her name was Sara, I dont remember hearing her called that. He had a big garden in the summer time. My Mother canned everything she could find to can out of the garden. My Dad was a hard worker and a hard man to understand. For the life of me I could never understand why he wanted kids. Actually maybe he didnt, they just happened. At any rate the impression I got while growing up was he really didnt care for us or I should say love us. He did take care of us, we never lacked a place to live and food on the table. There just wasnt a lot of affection shown on his part. When I was seven or eight, he acquired three cottages in a group of cottage near a town called Betterton, Md., right on the Chesapeake Bay. Maryland. He bought the cottages from Mr. and Mrs. Layman. I can remember Mr. and Mrs. Layman visiting our home on Barner Hill just before my Dad bought the cottages. I was removed from my bed so the Laymans could have a place to sleep. After that we spent our summers in one of the cottages and my Mother rented the others two and cleaned them after each family left. This was just the start of World War two. My Dad stayed in Pa. working at the Westinghouse Micarta Plant in Trafford. He worked double shifts almost the whole wartime. Then something happened. About 1945, A Mr. Gurstung, who owned a Big Bakery in Baltimore, Maryland, bought all the rest of the cottages in this group of cottages. Then told my Dad he had to sell him his cottages as he would not allow us access to the beach or pier. So my Dad sold him the cottages. Then blamed my Mother for going along with him on this. It changed him completely. He had a mental breakdown and my Mother was not smart enough to understand or get him help. He made our life a living hell from the time I was twelve until I was in High school. He seemed to have gotten better after he got older and Jim, my oldest brother had gone to the Marines. Ord my second oldest brother, graduated from High school. My sister Mae left to get married in England and I finally got a job. He wasnt a perfect Dad but He didnt scare the daylights out of us anymore. ----------------------------------------------------- My Brother Ord (posted March 2002)![]() From Jean : Dear all, This is an unedited piece, I know Mae is going to tear this a part, but I wrote as I remembered it. I just wish I had Ord, Jr's e-mail address I know he would be interested in my version of this recollection. He was three years older that me, Born on January 27, 1929. He was my playmate, tormentor and pal until he turned twelve or so. then he started going down to the Village of Larimer to hang out with boys his age. He was always good looking, tall dark with almost black hair that was kept shot and slightly curly. He looked a lot like my Dad but some like my Uncle Ord, my Mothers oldest brother who he was named after. As he got older he became more aloof and moody. Still liked to torment, tease and devil my sister Mae and I. It seemed that his whole purpose was just to see if he could get us to cry. He was very intelligent and just loved to show if off. Make us look dumb. He loved to put airplanes together from kits. When he got tired of them he would go up to the attic crawl out a window sit on the roof. Light the tail end of the airplane with a match wind it up Let it sail out into the yard below. He made me pay for his old ice skates and roller skates with the money I earned scrubbing my Aunt Helens kitchen floor. I was too dumb to realize that they were too little for him and if I had waited my Mother would have made he give them to me. But once I had given him the money, she left it go. In High School, he was voted the best looking boy in the school. (how would you like to follow that into High School?) He had the lead part in the school play "Sunbonnet Sue, and sang the lead part, not only was he good looking but he had a beautiful singing voice. He graduated from High School the spring of 1947, the same night my Mothers Mother, Grandma Woomer died. Not a great way to celebrate your graduation.
He tried the Dry cleaning business but it didn't work out. My Dad had bought him a panel van (which we all tried to learn how to drive,), Then he got a job at the Elliott co. where he learned to weld. This is the same year he and his steady girl friend, Sally Jo Mccune eloped. 1951, He stayed in this job for a year until he got drafted in the army.
He went off to the Army and she went to live with her Grandmother in Trafford, that is when she found out that she was pregnant. she gave birth to Ord, Jr. a couple of months before Ord shipped out to Japan. I think he was in Japan for a couple of years Im not sure., He thought welding to a group of Japanese Men. I think that is when He decided to try college when he got out of the army. He went back to welding at Elliott Co. and to school at night, I lost touch with him in this time frame. I only know from what my Mother told me., I know he got a job teaching in Moon twp. tech High School and went on to a master's degree. In the mean time they also had another boy they named Lynn. who is three years younger than Ord, Jr.
Ord and I are friendly but not as close as when we grew up. We got to talk more when He and I took care of my Mothers Estate, after my Father died. From MaeJean , I only found one mistake with your story about Ord, He graduated in 1948. He was held back a year He is only 2yrs and6months older then you. He was born 1930 same year as Inky. Inky remembers when Ord got it for most handsome guy in freshman class . that was in Irwin High school . Inky was runner up. I think that is the only thing he holds against Ord. ha ha Love Mae ![]() ----------------------------------------------------- My Sister Mae Mae was two years younger that me, I was born in July, 19. 1932 she was born in Sept 12, 1934.When she was little her hair was a little darker than copper. My Mother would put her hair up in cloth rags strips so her hair would come out in long sausage curls, which was all the rag in those days. This was the era 1936 to maybe 1940, She would have been six or seven or even a little older. She was smaller than me of course, and a little lady. (such a sissy) Very petite, cute little thing. Everyone fawned over her. Had a sweet little voice which was exploited, by the music teacher at the PTA meetings, (God did I hate her!) She played school every night in the doorway between the dining room and living room. Sitting up her dolls in little chairs and talking to them like she was the teacher. (Good God, didn't she get enough of that at school?) I can still see her giving the dolls those lessons. She and Nancy, our cousin who lived next door all our going up lives, was her best buddy, and they played house under our porch, with all their dolls, table and chairs, dolls beds, my doll baby buggy, (which I allowed her to play with sometimes) she had gotten a baby bed and I had gotten the buggy for some Christmas back a year or so. The buggy was made of wicker, was very sturdy, I can remember trying to get Larry Kovac, who was very small to get in it, I can't remember if he did or not. As she got older, she won an award for American citizenship or some things I know she was still in grade school, but I can't remember what grade. She must have been eleven or twelve, When she got to high school she went out for cheerleader and made it. Was very popular in high school AHD some really nice girl friends. There were always boy friends that had cars. Which was absolutely necessary living up in the boondocks like we did. We would sit around the dining room table and play card games, like fish and spoon, it was a lot of fun. In high school she took the academic course, because she wanted to be a nurse and that was the course you had to take if thats what you wanted to be. Her sophomore year She got a job in Peterman's Drug Store. As a sales person, after school and on weekends. Although the pay was only .35 or .45 cents an house she manage to buy all her own clothes. That year she also Met Richard Beter, Everyone called him Inky because he had black curly hair and was very good looking. She had other boy friends, but after she met Inky she just dated him. Inky joined the Air Force I guess when Mae was a senior. Inky was about three years older than Mae. After she graduated from high school My Dad informed her he was not going to finance her way through nursing school, so she got a job in the Jeanette Rubber factory. Making rubber boats for the Navy. Getting back and forth to Jeanette was really hard for her, she had no car and the bus service sucked, it was a hassle everyday for her. At that time I was working at the Westinghouse Mica Plant and going to school at night I was no help to her. Inky got transferred to England in 1952, I guess that was the year she graduated. He started writing letters to my Mother. Pleading with her to let Mae come to England and marry him. I guess the must have been some letters. Because she finally agreed to let Mae go. Mae went to England in 1953. She was nineteen when she married Inky in England. ----------------------------------------------------- ![]() Nancy Forsyth Collettie Havey, has lived on Barner Hill most of her life. Her home is right next to where my Mother and Fathers house stood, until it burned down December of 1977. She is three years younger then me and one year younger than my sister Mae. Nancy, in the growing up years was a thin little waft, short middle brown curly hair, with big gray brown eyes, a big smile, with mischief written all over her face. She had an infectious giggle that when you heard it you knew she was up to something. What she didnt think of to get into Mae did. One episode included taking Nancys Radio Rider with wooden sides, filling it up with all my Mother books from her bookcase and peddling them to everyone on Barner Hill. When my Mother found all her books gone, she made Mae and Nancy, with her following, retrieve all the books. While we were growing up on Barner Hill, Nancy and Mae played baby doll and house under our front porch from the time they got up until it was time for bed all summer long. When it got too cold they played in our middle hallway. The summer months were just one big round of playing house for them and playing catch games and hide and seek. Most of the time I just let them play house by themselves, I played with my cousin Tom Woomer and Larry Kovac. Once in awhile they would pile their baby dolls in to their baby buggys and parade up the road in front of our houses. Keeping an eye out for Nancys red rooster, the meanest chicken I have ever run across. If you didnt have a broom to ward him off he would take a chunk out of your ankle. This chicken was a peep she had gotten for Easter, when your were allowed to have colored peeps for Easter. It had managed to survive Im not sure how. I have no idea what it ate except the chunks out of your ankle if we missed with the broom. We were always a little envious of Nancy, she had four brothers and sisters much older than her, being an after thought by her parents, at least that is what my Aunt Edna, her Mother, called her. Her siblings were Bob the oldest than Dorothy, Richard and Evelyn. Evelyn was the youngest next to Nancy; She had her own car and took us to the movies some times. Nancys toys were unending, they were always getting her something. We considered it lucky if we got a present for our birthdays and a couple for Christmas. I cant remember her much after I got in high school, when I was a senior she must
have been a freshman. But after I got a job in Pittsburgh and rode the bus into town. She
got a job in the Photography dept. at Westinghouse in East Pittsburgh and she rode up to
Irwin with me and caught the bus to East Pittsburgh, while I caught the bus to downtown I think this lasted until she met Whitely Collectie, he was in the army. They were married, and left for Cocoa Beach, Fl. Where I guess they lived for a year or so, then he was sent to Korea and she came back to Barner hill to live with her Mother. during that time she met Frank Havey and decided she no longer wanted to be married to Whitely Colletie, when he came back from Korea, she told him and they were divorced. Not long after that She and Frank were married, and moved into a little house in the back yard of her mothers home. Im not sure how many years she lived in the little house, I think that is were
she had her three boys, Paul the oldest than David, and then Eric. David was a Down
syndrome baby, He was the light of Nancys life, and she doted on David and cared for
him until his was in his middle thirties. He contacted lukeiuma, and suffered with that
until a few years ago he ----------------------------------------------------- My Three Aunts I lived the first twenty-five years of my life on top of a hill called Barner Hill. It was occupied mostly by my relatives on my Fathers side of the family and my Mothers. The hill was actually a plateau; you drove up it, when you got to the top the area was flat.The first house at the top was the old log house, the old homestead of the Barner family. My Fathers Mothers Family home. After the log house the road was straight until it came to a y, the left road went up a little grade and then straight down to the end where my Fathers house had been. At the y on the right, stood my Grandmother Woomer's house. On the left, Marsh and MaryJane Lentz, my Fathers cousin. On the right in a row, my Aunt Gladys Lee, Aunt Sara Mulkey and Aunt Ruth Mullencamp, my Mothers sisters and half sisters. Down a little ways, my Cousin Evelyn & Steve Yenchi, cousin on my Fathers side, she was a Forsyth, my Dads brother Bobs girl, across the road Cousin Dorothy & Bill Barnes, another cousin on my Dads side one of Uncle Bobs daughters. In my Aunt Ednas yard in the little house, my Cousin Bob & his wife Marge Forsyth, then my Uncle Bob and Aunt Edna; s house right next to my Dads. Going back to the Y, on the corner stood my Grandmothers house. To the right on the road the little house that my Aunt Janette and Uncle Jim lived in. Then a big ole barn, road went to the right of the barn to my Uncle Paul and Aunt Florence. After that straight down pass some open fields to my Uncle Dave and Aunt Helens sawmill and farm. There were no streetlights and the only water was either well water or a make shift pump system my Uncles rigged up from a stream from the side of the hill by my Uncle Daves farm. All the Woomer familys were joined by this system, my Dad had a well, I guess everyone else on that side of the Hill had wells I dont remember that bit. My Dad had to run his own electric line and dig his own telephone pole hole before the electric company would run a line for him. I heard about this on numerous occasions. We walked to school, through the woods, along the railroad tracks, across the sulfur creek bridge through Larimer, up school hill to the Larimer school. It was about a mile and half, all told. I did this with my sister Mae cousin Tom Woomer Cousin Nancy Forsyth, and Larry Kovac, until I was in eighth grade. Then some how my Aunt Edna got the school board to provide a bus that picked us up at the bottom of Barner Hill. That was still a half mile or more walk for us because we couldnt cut through the woods. W walked the long road. I started writing this to write about my three Aunts who lived on my hill the years I was growing up. They were the most influential people in my life besides my Mother, who was the most of all. The first was my Aunt Helen, married to my Uncle Dave, my Mother half brother, but when I was growing up I had no idea what that really meant, I learned later that my Grandmother had married her brother-in-law after my Mother Father was killed while working on the railroad. They had five children and there was no such thing as agency to help. Here she was a widow with five little children . So Tom Woomer married his sister in law and preceded to have his own family with her, Which included five more kids. , making ten they raised together. This was a common practice in the early 1900s. My Uncle Dave worked his little farm with the help of my Aunt Helen. Their only child Tommy, was five or six years younger than me. Although much younger, was still my playmate for a number of years. The sawmill was worked with my Uncle Paul, Uncle Frank and Uncle Dave. Aunt Helen all ways made us welcome I cant remember her ever really yelling at us or sending us home, but she must have, just not very often because I dont remember it if she did. We climbed the apple trees helped her feed the pigs, shelled corn, and churned her butter. She would pay me to scrub her floor. The memories of my Aunt Helen are very sweet. She was so pleasant and unpretentious. Not tall but not short just medium, brown hair and nice looking, With a ready smile and soft laugh and a kind word. It made a young lonely girl feel welcome and a peace. My Aunt Florence was married to my Uncle Paul another half brother of my Mothers.
She was a small, thin women, and in her middle twentys brown hair most of the time
pulled back some how. very pleasant looking with a ready smile and merry sparkly eyes. I
think Uncle Paul worked in the sawmill this time in my life but Im not sure. I know
my Aunt Florence just kept house. she always made you seem welcome. I was allowed to look
at her many books, I remember reading them but I dont remember taking any home. She
talked to me like I was an adult, not down to me like older My Aunt Janette came into my life when I was ten or there about. She married by Uncle Jim, another half brother of my Moms. Aunt Janette and he were married right after he was discharged from the army. They moved into the little house next to my Grandmothers. It had been vacant since my Aunt Ruth moved to North Irwin. Aunt Janette and Uncle Jim lived in the little until they had my Cousin Colleen, saved enough money and built a house in a housing development called the Kin plan, maybe five miles from Barner Hill. She was tall and very athletic, she had been a lifeguard when she was younger, which really impressed me. She had a quick wit and a ready laugh, dark brown hair and pretty face, She loved books and became great friends with Aunt Florence she and Aunt Florence would discuss the books they had read together. She took an interest in all of us. We could come to her house and spend the evening. My Uncle Jim must have worked second shift some where, that part I dont remember. I know she helped me fix my hair after I got tired wearing braids. I can even remember going to her house in the morning before school and her fixing it for me. -----------------------------------------------------WOOMER FAMILY (info from Janette Jan 2003) 1932 Born July 19, 1932 at home of Aunt Teen and Uncle Dan Moony, Turtle Creek, Pa. 1933 Went to live with Aunt Liz at Greensburg Pike, Turtle Creek, Pa for a short time. 1938 Started school, Larmier Grade School 1941 Start of World War II 1946 Started High School, North Huntingdon, High School, Irwin, Pa. 1950 Graduated High school, June 2, September. Started Work at Westinghouse Mica Plant, Hahntown, Pa 1951 Went to Westinghouse night school, for comptometer, Florence Utt Business school PBx, Receptionist. Still worked at Mica plant. Then employed by Ebbert, Grant and Kakel, as receptionist 1952 Worked for Edwards. George & Co., as billing clerk, 1953 Met George Sanders at Office Christmas Party 1954 Started work as policy writer for Continental Casualty Co. 1955 Engaged to Ralph Wilson 1956 Broke engagement to Ralph Wilson 1956 Reacquainted with George Sanders 1956 Got engaged to George Sanders for Christmas 1957 On August 17, 1957 was Married to George Sanders, sat up home at Baldwin apt. in Pittsburgh, Pa. 1959 Set up home in Shaffton, Pa. And had twins on October 14, 1958. Michael George Sanders and Craig Russell Sanders 1960 Bought home in North Irwin, Pa. 1962 Had Kirk Anthony Sanders on September 15, 1963 Bought lot on Iris Dr., Hahntown, Pa. 1966 Had Marc Forsyth Sanders November 11, 1967 Started to build home on Iris Dr., lot. 1968 Moved to Iris Dr., March, 03. 1969 Boys started swimming in the Aqua Club. 1973 Twin start high school, Norwin Senior High 1974 Started taking classes at Westmoreland Comm. College. 1975 Co/Chaired Gifted program with Ann Margaret Kehoe 1976 Started as Remedial Reading teaching aide. At Jr. High East in Irwin, Pa. Kirk Starts High School. 1977 Twins graduate from high school, Michael goes to Virginia Military Institution , Craig goes to Grove City College 1978 Craig goes to Kutztown State College. 1979 I Start at Carnegie Museum as orienteering guide. Volunteered for four years in the Scafe Art Gallery. 1980 Kirk graduates from High School, Start Air Force Academy, leaves Academy immediately starts Clarion University 1981 Georges Mother Margaret Sanders died in March; Michael graduates from Virginia Military Institute. Leaves for the army, then to Mobile, Al. To work for International Paper 1982 Craig Graduates from Kutztown State College, goes to Army Officers Candidate School. Then to Fort Hood., Al. Then to Ranger School. Our Silver Wedding Anniversary. Party at Carbones, Crab Tree., Pa. 1985 Marc starts Coast Guard Academy, Craig Marries Lori Fresch. 1986 Michael Marries Marie Musgrove, In Mobile Al. 1987 My Dad James R. Forsyth, Sr., dies April 6,] 1988 Chelsea Marie Sanders is Born June 2, in Mobile Al, Michael and Marie are the parents 1989 Marc Graduates from the Coast Guard Academy, First duty station is Eureka CA, USCGC CLOVER 1990 Kaitlyn Nicole Sanders is born June 23, to Craig and Lori Sanders in Bamberg, Germany. 1991 My Mother Fannie Ellen Forsyth dies August 9, Haley Elizabeth Sanders is born December 15. 1993 Hollie Rebecca Sanders is born December 20, in Morgantown, West Virginia 1994 George Sanders retires, June 30, We buy 29 ft., Motor home and start Traveling. 1996 Chloe Maren Sanders is Born November 2, to Cathy and Marc Sanders, Seattle, Washington. 1998 We buy a home in Barefoot Bay, Fl., right on the Canal. And sell the Motor Home.
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